WW: Nowadays, you often get the feeling that work is all about turnover and output, about managing, administering and processing - and no longer about standing behind what you do, using the scope, discovering and inventing new things. Money fights against spirit - can it go on like this?
Dominic Veken: You are right: an overemphasis on money is contrary to the development of spirit. And it will no longer be successful in the future. The strategy of squeezing more and more out of people like a lemon by constantly increasing efficiency has clearly reached its limits. Creativity, like the desire to work, will be massively curbed, and then not only companies, but also educational institutions, politics and almost all other social systems will no longer be efficient. I founded the Institute for Brand and Corporate Philosophy because I have found that most people are in no way enthusiastic about what they do. It's always about working through brand models and process chains, ticking boxes everywhere and driving processes with market research batteries - and all of this with a very machine-like character. But the question of "how do I inspire my customers, how do I inspire consumers, how do I inspire people?" is completely lost. This is the basic problem: many companies and brands today function like machines. Whether companies, schools, prisons or clinics, everything has to be efficient today. Everything has to start at a certain time and a certain amount of work has to be completed within a certain time. Michel Foucault already pointed out this development, which has shaped our everyday lives since the beginning of the industrial revolution a good 300 years ago. Experts estimate that in Germany alone, nine million people suffer from burnout and four million from depression. Mind you, these are estimates. People get problems because this way of working drains them internally. They fulfill their job and their duties - but what they do no longer fulfills them. The solution is to get away from thinking that everything has to work as well as possible, that everything has to become even more efficient, that work has to be even more condensed and that people have to meet ever higher demands. My idea is that companies and brands need to function more like a social movement, like communities of spirit.
Spiritual communities? That sounds remote ...
By this I mean groups like the hippies, the Hells Angels or the mafia - my book* is all about this topic. These groups have a common spirit that everyone in the group believes in, around which everything revolves and to which everything is aligned. All spiritual communities have similar structures: the members are there voluntarily and are fulfilled by what they do. They have a sparkle in their eyes. I think that brands and companies need to be like spiritual communities in the future so that we are all more fulfilled by what we do. Then brands will also develop a strong appeal, then advertising communication can touch people and evoke reactions in them. The brands or companies that have been extremely successful in the last ten years - Google, Starbucks, Apple - are companies that are already a bit like a movement. Obama's election campaign also went in the direction of the "social movement". Such movements are slowly beginning to break down the rigid, industrial model of the machine, to get people moving again so that they voluntarily join in. In future, we will only consume advertising voluntarily. So it must inspire and touch. Wikipedia also thrives on this voluntariness - if Wikipedia were a company, it would be brilliant.
So if I want to build a successful brand or a successful company, I have to try to establish a spiritual community?
Exactly. And that is also the work I do at the Institute for Brand and Corporate Philosophy. It starts with identifying the common spirit, the corporate spirit, in a company. My thesis is that every company has a common spirit, because it was once founded by an entrepreneur full of enthusiasm and with a gleam in his eye. But over time, layers of earth build up over this spirit, which slowly bury it and which I then have to remove again like an archaeologist in order to get to the core. One example: Last year, I developed the Otto Group's global corporate philosophy. There, the corporate spirit that we have worked out is "the power of responsibility". It fits the company, the challenges that the Group will have to master in the future and is also credible in light of the company's history. The task now is to convey this common spirit to the employees, just like in a spiritual community.
How does a company manage to bring a great vision to life - or bring it back to life?
The easiest way I can tell you how it doesn't work, although unfortunately it is often done this way: By developing a mission, a vision and a strategy, presenting it to your employees, filing it in a folder and printing it on a board that is placed in the entrance area of the company. And then it's over. Of course, this leaves everyone completely cold and has no effect at all. There are two important factors to consider when developing a corporate spirit: Firstly, it must be very emotional and touch people. Secondly, the company should involve as many employees as possible in the process of finding or uncovering the corporate spirit. The employees must help develop and shape the community in a participatory process. If three managers sit there and come up with something, it's no good at all. And then you also have to think together about how to anchor the spirit in the company, certainly not through a king-like CEO, but in a democratic process from below. Movements only ever work from the bottom up, they are never imposed from above.
With a five-man company, it is probably not that difficult to get to the soul of the company together. But for a large company with 3,500 employees, which realizes that the business is no longer running properly and wants to go in search of its core - it can hardly involve all of its 3,500 employees in this soul-searching.
Yes, think about how many people work on Wikipedia, how many people supported the Obama election campaign. At the Otto Group, we have built a platform called "4000 Commitments", on which the 50,000 employees enter their commitments for a year, i.e. things in which they have taken personal responsibility. It is very important that it is not just about internal company activities, but also about private commitments such as helping the homeless. Every employee can see who has entered what there and thus get a feeling for how "The Power of Responsibility" is lived and practiced in the company. Through many accompanying communication tools and measures, every employee can see that something is happening in the company, that taking responsibility is worthwhile and appreciated. And this reflects the common spirit of the Otto Group and increasingly strengthens it.
Can a corporate spirit help companies, agencies or media houses to avoid falling into the waters of soulless self-management?
I think so. We have to move away from the soulless, and the corporate spirit is an instrument to counter this with something strong. It defines the soul of the company. There is such a soul in every company, but it is usually buried by the focus on money and efficiency, by today's conventional thinking in terms of benefits and accounting. The task of every leader must be to uncover the soul of their brand or company in order to be successful in the future. Success in both an idealistic and material sense. In the future, it will become increasingly difficult to earn money as a soulless entity.
Can a company function without a corporate spirit?
Yes, of course, that's definitely still the case today. It always depends on the industry. In many sectors, companies that work like machines function wonderfully. But firstly, they have unhappier employees and secondly, they don't have a long-term future. In the service sector in particular, it is becoming increasingly difficult to be successful if you have demotivated employees who are on the verge of or in the middle of burnout and simply turn customers away. It will become increasingly important to have a corporate spirit and to cultivate it. Because, of course, we all do better when as many people as possible are happy.
Can a CEO only lead successfully if he himself is enthusiastic about his "product"?
At the moment, we still have the ideal that the CEO is like a king who rules over the company. But the role of the CEO will change fundamentally, because with movements he is more of a character who embodies and exemplifies a certain spirit. In this respect, your question can only be answered with "yes": If a CEO wants to give his employees more than instructions, then he must believe in what he is doing, otherwise he cannot exude a spirit and accordingly cannot sow enthusiasm. According to Foucault, the king's head rolled centuries ago. We could add: And the buttons of the machines no longer have any effect. There is also something great about this, because it means that a whole new era is dawning, a movement towards more soul, more fulfillment and more enthusiasm that will move many people. Because I think most people realize that things can certainly not go on as they are now.
Your call for us to focus on idealism, creativity, strength of character and inner wealth again instead of greed, materialism and external wealth sounds great. And it is encouraging that you see this as a future development. But is that really realistic in today's dog-eat-dog society?
I think so. More and more voices are calling for such a rethink. Howard Schultz, for example, who made Starbucks great, writes in his new book that he considers it a huge mistake that the magic, the spirit, the spirit that is so important in Starbucks stores has been underemphasized for so long. For far too long, it was all about efficiency, about how to get the coffee into the cup even faster. Schultz then tried to reverse this development and bring ideals and visions back into the company. You can see all over the world that successful companies are once again cutting back on the elbow mentality and focusing on ideals.
Only desire and enthusiasm can bring about profound change, you say. How long will it take for not only a few successful leaders to realize this, but also the people in the upper echelons of management - and on a broad front?
That will certainly take some time. But that's why there are people like me who can put this new way of thinking into theories and tools that can be used to establish it. You also have to think about why the successful leaders you mentioned are successful. If you think this through to the end, you have to take a new path. Marketing also emerged around 100 years ago because people realized that not everything that is produced sells itself. People suddenly became choosy. And now the situation is: people are burnt out, no longer feel good, they buy less and also watch less advertising. So what do we do? The answer is: we need to focus more on spirit, on enthusiasm, and on getting people to identify again with what they do, what they buy and what they watch. Identification is the new currency.
Which is more promising: caution or courage and enthusiasm? Profitability or fascination?
It depends on the situation, the market and the company. If we look at the financial market, which is currently in the spotlight, we can see that excessive courage is not wise. If you look at the mobile communications market and at Apple's rival, Nokia, you can see that a little more courage would have been smarter. In the past, Nokia only focused on small technical innovations, was not courageous and stuck to its "Connecting People" spirit. That was great for a while. But today that is no longer a message, because people now do completely different things with their smartphones than just connect with other people. Nokia had a great spirit that made the company number one for over ten years. But then they didn't have the courage to adapt their spirit to the new times, to take it to a new level.
Is entrepreneurial spirit always also zeitgeist?
This is a dimension that is decisive for the spirit - in addition to the history of the company, its roots, which the spirit must tie in with, otherwise it is not credible, and the challenges that the company must face in the future. According to Goethe, zeitgeist is the common spirit of all people in an age. You have to take it into account if you want to be successful. However, I don't believe in looking at what consumers want and then trying to fulfill these wishes 1:1. That's what we did for years and that's how we became fulfillers of requirement profiles. But you can't be successful that way and you can't develop a spirit. Spirit comes from being enthusiastic and convinced of your own idea. Take Apple: nobody wanted an iPhone. You could have asked 100,000 people and nobody would have wanted a device like the iPhone. The device was born out of a vision, a genius, supported by people with an idea.
This means that brands are also created out of enthusiasm for a new idea - and not because people have looked at what others want.
Exactly. Thinking about what people want and fulfilling that is machine thinking.
Is enthusiasm a remedy for the crisis?
Of course. Anyone who is or has ever been enthusiastic knows what kind of energy this generates. Suddenly you can do things you never thought possible. This is not only the case in business; every great scientific achievement and every great work of art has sprung from enthusiastic minds. This enthusiasm is needed because sometimes you have to work on something for months, years or even decades until you achieve a breakthrough, even in the face of external resistance or internal crises. You can only keep at it if you believe in your cause.
Is it possible to learn or relearn how to act and work with fun and conviction?
Yes, that can be kissed awake in everyone. We were all children once, and we were all filled with something once. We all marveled at the first Christmas we consciously experienced - but these feelings are lost, partly due to the mechanical way of fulfillment we have adopted. You can rekindle enthusiasm by finding something you can identify with. One possibility is a shared spirit that appeals to you. You can also try to remember what you really enjoyed doing in your previous life, what fulfilled and inspired you. Often, due to time constraints or because something else is taking priority, you stop doing something you enjoy and then simply forget about it. So the first step in the right direction is to look at yourself and the positive feelings you once had.
What advice would you give to a good friend who says to you: "I'm not having any fun anymore, I'm exhausted, down and my marriage isn't really going well either ..."
Oh God, I'm not a therapist. But for me, the glow in the eyes is the ultimate yardstick that everyone should apply to their company, their manager, their advertising audience, their private life and themselves. I too have been at points in my life where something had to develop, where I had to develop. And I can only advise anyone in such a situation to look for something that makes your eyes shine again. It sounds banal, but sometimes it's a long process until your eyes shine again. But you have to look for these power fields of life. And you will be amazed when other people suddenly tell you: "Your eyes shine like that, you've changed."
As Managing Partner at Kolle Rebbe, you were involved in winning several dozen communication awards, you provided strategic advice to the CDU and Angela Merkel during the last German parliamentary election campaign, helped to make the Bionade brand famous and developed the Otto Group's global corporate philosophy. What is the secret of your success?
In life, it's always best to choose the topic that moves you the most. Stefan Kolle has always said that I have a special energy, and this energy comes from enthusiasm. I hardly ever act politically, but always look for something I believe in, something I can identify with. I also do this in my creative work and when developing solutions for my clients. And when I believe in something, I fight for it like a lion. That means that I even say to the Chancellor: "I think what you're doing is wrong. I would do it this way and that way," and accept that this is perceived as impertinent. I don't play games, I'm an honest, authentic man of conviction. I think that's my recipe for success.
Interview: Anne-Friederike Heinrich
In a nutshell
Dominic Veken (40) is one of Germany's leading strategy consultants. He studied philosophy in Berlin and Frankfurt am Main and describes himself as "Germany's first independent corporate philosopher". Veken has worked as a creative at Jung von Matt and at Equity as a brand consultant and was involved in winning several dozen communication awards as managing partner at Kolle Rebbe. He also advised the CDU and Angela Merkel in the last German parliamentary election campaign and helped to publicize the Bionade brand. In 2009, Veken published his first book* "Ab jetzt Begeisterung. The future belongs to idealists", his second book is currently in progress and is expected to be published in fall 2012. Veken also published the strategy magazine Bonaparte. In March 2010, Veken founded the Institute for Brand and Corporate Philosophy, in which Kolle Rebbe has a minority stake.
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