WW: What tipped the scales in favor of launching LandLiebe?
Urs Heller: Clearly the success of LandLust in Germany. It's fascinating that such a rustic magazine is suddenly dueling with Spiegel at the newsstand in Germany. Naturally, something like this stirs the imagination. At first, we followed the development from afar, then we negotiated with LandLust-Verlag.
So the original plan was to merge with the German LandLust?
We thought about a license. Then we found out: it's better to go it alone!
Why did it not happen?
We could not come to an agreement financially. Our discussion partners had relatively high ideas for a license fee; it would not have been worthwhile in a small country like Switzerland. At the same time, we realized that the synergies are not that great: We Swiss tend to be "mountain-loving" people rather than flatland subjects; you can't score points with us with heather reportage. In retrospect, we are glad that we risked going it alone. We wouldn't have had this huge initial success as a licensed product.
Who developed the Swiss concept?
I'm responsible for new developments and new editorial concepts at Ringier magazines. So also for LandLiebe. I was able to count on the support of a few real professionals.
Where does the layout come from?
The graphics were done in-house. André Frensch, a former deputy art director at Schweizer Illustrierte, drew the first pages and played a big part in their success. I then brought Uli Beling and Nina Thoenen on board. The two young women are actually always there when I develop a magazine. I discovered them for the launch of SI Style.
What is the philosophy behind LandLiebe?
There is a longing for deceleration, people need a balance to the ever more hectic everyday business life. In our free time, we are urged to get back out into nature, out into the countryside. I can well remember times when there was no rush at the mountain railroads on Sundays in summer. One knew to wait until sometime again a little train drove. Today, the parking lot is full at seven o'clock. Hiking is a megatrend that the media are gloriously oversleeping - apart from colleague Thomas Widmer, who writes excellently about it in the Tages-Anzeiger. Discussions with the heads of the sporting goods industry confirm this: In Switzerland, hiking is the number one sport by a huge margin. A football boot or Didier Cuche's skis follow at a distance. We are glad that we jumped on this trend at the last moment.
How does LandLiebe distinguish itself from SI GRUEN?
SI GRUEN was our first foray into the green scene. We are satisfied, SI GRUEN is doing very well. SI GRUEN has a pronounced lifestyle component. We also put that on the front page: 100 percent green, 100 percent lifestyle. The target audience is the famous Lohas (Lifestyle of Health and Sustainability), i.e. people who gear their lifestyle to health and sustainability. SI Green can also have an international touch. LandLiebe is very clod-connected, very Swiss, very normal. Luxury is not an issue. I can show it with the example of food: For SI GRUEN, a nature-loving Gault Millau chef can supply the recipes. That's out of the question for LandLiebe: It's about countrywomen's cuisine, home-made sausage and alpine cheese. Not about GaultMillau points.
Who is the typical reader?
There are two target groups. One group lives in the countryside. The others dream of living in the country. The latter live in the city, but start thinking about how they want to spend their weekend in nature on Thursday evenings. The typical LandLiebe reader probably also tends her small garden or at least a few pots on the terrace. She revives old hobbies. Knitting, for example, is a real trend!
Today LandLiebe is published four times a year, next year five times. What is the goal?
We would like to publish six times a year in the future. But you can't dupe nature: We didn't do enough pre-production last year to create two spring numbers in 2012. So we're coming out with five issues now and not increasing to six until 2013.
Why is LandLiebe not published monthly?
The bimonthly publication frequency is also a form of deceleration. Our readers don't want to be weighed down by too many issues. He wants to have the magazine on his desk, leaf through it again for a bit, then put it on the page and continue reading later. The stimulus threshold is six to eight issues. At least that's what my gut feeling tells me, and it's reliable in most cases.
The initial print run was 200,000 copies. What marketing measures were there at the launch?
We follow the same approach for all new launches. We have a wonderful address base that we can select for each launch. We do large-scale mailings to make the title known and in demand quickly, plus some classic advertising. Then we wait with bated breath to see how many readers get hooked. We did it like this for the first time with SI Style and were completely taken by surprise by the response. At the time, I had reckoned with a 24 percent conversion rate to a subscription. But it was 42 percent! With LandLiebe, the math works out again: a referral/gift mechanism has now kicked in that we never imagined in our wildest dreams. Most letters to the editor end with, "I immediately made my mother/sister/girlfriend/daughter a subscriber."
What is the subscription price?
At 24 francs, the price of an annual subscription is affordable for everyone. We deliberately set the price so low. That is also part of our marketing. As the "new kids on the block," we have to be very modest in the market. In the 1980s and 1990s, new magazines could still be sold on the newsstands at steep prices. Today, buyers no longer accept that. They want to get a lot in return for relatively little money. We are also friendly and cautious when it comes to setting advertising prices. Take SI Style, for example: although we have quickly overtaken Annabelle with 100,000 readers, we are still cheaper in terms of advertising rates. Our message to the customer: Annabelle has been on the market for seventy years, the magazine is well made. But we are new. So we remain cheaper (for now) - even if we already have significantly more readers.
How many subscribers does LandLiebe have today?
We now sell 74,431 copies after four issues. Of these, 47,000 are subscriptions and 27,000 are sold at newsstands. The winter issue has been available for two weeks, and we already have an additional 2,000 subscription orders. LandLiebe is really a bull's eye.
Where is the circulation target?
I never set myself a circulation target. You can't buy anything with that. My goal is to pay back Mr. Ringier's initial investment within two or three years and to be in the black. The circulation with which we achieve this goal is secondary. Magazines have to earn money quickly, otherwise there's no point in launching them.
The editorial structure is small.
Yes, that's true. In the difficult start-up years, you can't afford a large editorial team. I'm also taking over as editor-in-chief for the first few issues. Because I can save money that way and because that's part of the business: There's something eunuch-like about developing magazines and not launching and taking responsibility for them yourself. But from the very first issue, I look for editors who can take over the magazine quickly. This has proven very successful at SI Style, for example: Sabina Hanselmann-Diethelm was on board from the very first minute, was trained hard and paid good attention. Today, she's an outstanding young editor-in-chief and hardly needs my help anymore. Unfortunately, I only see the Style editorial team, which has actually grown close to my heart, at Christmas dinner... I also want to proceed in the same way with LandLiebe. I would like to say goodbye to the editorial director job already in the course of the next year. We have good people in the team!
...and then comes the next project for you?
There is no lack of ideas. But back to the small Land- Liebe troupe. The core team may only consist of four people, but we have the whole SI family to fall back on. SI Style provides us with a first-class photo editor. Two of the best SI authors write regularly for LandLiebe. They like it very much, by the way, because in the new magazine the stories are longer, the pictures bigger and the time pressure less than in Schweizer Illustrierte, which has a different concept. I'm in a privileged situation: If I need reinforcements, I can find them right on the floor. So you can start with a small team and a reasonable budget. That also applies to the publishing house: The Ringier magazine team led by Thomas Passen pushed LandLiebe and can now toast its success.
You've already launched many magazines. What was different about LandLiebe?
The pioneering spirit was identical. Everyone gives everything, pulls together. What was difficult for me was that I'm not a professional myself. My garden is tended by the gardener, and I don't know how to knit either; so it was easier for me to develop gourmet, sports or women's magazines. But my lack of expertise also had an advantage: From the very first minute, I had to gather around me journalists who knew a lot about the subject. And I had to trust them one hundred percent. It was actually a fair deal: I show the team how to make magazines. And the team tells me what is particularly important for LandLiebe readers. One thing I quickly noticed in the green scene. You can't play tricks, every detail has to be right. That's why our master gardener Lippus reads through every article and guarantees that no technical errors creep in.
Are you satisfied with the volume of ads?
Very satisfied! We sold 100 pages of ads in the four issues. What's helpful, also for the ad market, is our close relationship with readers. It is a true love affair. We receive letters "for years we have been waiting for...", "thank you for granting me this wish". We receive poems. We don't get this closeness with other magazines. With the other titles, I communicate with readers by email. With LandLiebe, there are also still many handwritten letters, not just emails. That speaks for a high level of credibility.
In the booklet you have very good link information to the individual articles. But if you visit LandLiebe on the web, it is rather meager.
We are starting with a small editorial team and want to keep costs under control. We can't yet afford an actual online editorial team. But we provide the best links to each story and try to close the gap. LandLiebe is a lay-back magazine; you read it on the sofa or on the garden bench, not on your computer.
One more thing about Schweizer Illustrierte. SI is 100 years old, and has been a people magazine for 15 years. What will SI look like in ten years' time?
Same in principle. Schweizer Illustrierte will remain a people magazine with a clear focus on Switzerland. But it must continue to develop. The task has become more difficult for the editorial team, but it remains the same: We have to show important Swiss people from their private side, talk to them about their talents and their passions. We can't shy away from this job. Fortunately, after 100 years of decent work, we are met with a certain goodwill and time and again open doors that would otherwise remain closed.
Interview: Pierre C. Meier