WW: Where will Urs Schneider put Egon?
Urs Schneider: In the conference room. It's not just me who is responsible for the performance, we are a team. I see myself as an employee and certainly don't take the Egon home. It stands next to the other things like our Effie or the media awards.
Mediaschneider has already won many prizes. What does the title "Advertiser of the Year" mean?
I never thought I would be "Advertiser of the Year". I'm not a creative, I'm in the bean counter department. I don't actually do much creative work. Except for the tailor-made strategies and media plans for our clients. That's why the choice came as a surprise to me.
Today, media planning also requires a creative view of things.
Plus minus. Media has gained in importance. The channels have multiplied. There are also unusual ideas in the media. There may be a central media idea that can be implemented later. But in the end, you can't say who invented it. We discuss a strategy and alternatives that can be examined. But the decisive idea comes from creation.
What brought you into this world of advertising?
I did a commercial apprenticeship at P. It used to be an institution. My teacher was René Gyr, the director of the Baden branch at the time. In the beginning, I actually spent more time on bookkeeping. I was already aiming for a federal diploma as an accountant. I then had to make a decision: Do I want to be an advertiser or work at a bank? I then decided to train at Sawi and obtained a federal diploma as an advertising assistant. I then went to work for a media broker. This first job was a stage in London.
Why London?
I'm relatively good at math, but I also wanted to improve my English. In London, practically nobody at the agency spoke German and I had to communicate in English. However, they quickly realized that thanks to my German and French, I could be trusted with the media contacts for Germany, France and the eastern states. I was able to do my job as a media planner very well and had a great time in London.
Did you like this international level?
Yes, I would have liked to stay in this international scene, but then I returned to Geneva and worked at P for three years from 1975 and was promoted to head of media. After Geneva, I was made a good offer at Publicitas Zurich. That was the reason why I stayed in Switzerland in the first place. I seriously toyed with the idea of going abroad again.
Was it a mistake that you didn't go?
I would probably have had other prospects. Instead, I graduated from Sawi as an advertising manager. Then I got an offer at Publimedia, a "think tank" of P, where we were responsible for training P employees and looked after various mandates from publishers. I gained a lot of practical experience there. From there, I became Head of Marketing at P Zurich. For ten years, I was promised that I could one day take over the management. I had a good time with Hans Ro¬senast, the director at the time. I learned from him how to manage people. But the promises of the General Management were not fulfilled and so, after a total of 25 years at P, I left and moved to Ringier. I first worked at Blick Verlag. I had to bring the poor advertising sales back up and was advertising manager for two years. I actually got the advertising pages back on track and became Key Account Director at Ringier. It was the first such position in the history of the publishing house. That was in 1993 and I had a great job. Max Wiener showed me how to look after large customers properly and successfully. I also had to look after the most demanding customers. That's how I came into contact with Wolfgang Mecklenburg. It was a wonderful and interesting time at Ringier. With Oskar Frei, I was again lucky enough to have one of the greatest bosses. He gave us a lot of freedom. He didn't tell us how to do things, just where we wanted to go. That had a huge impact on me.
How did you become self-employed?
In 2000, I went to this "demanding customer" Wolfgang Mecklenburg. He wanted me to take over his store later. This was a special challenge and I was also able to get involved with M&M. Then came the fateful day when the owner's wife, Edith Mecklenburg, died unexpectedly. We always got on well together. But when Wolfgang Mecklenburg remarried and changed direction, there were no more prospects for me in the team. There was only one option left for me: to set up my own company. I started with two employees and zero customers. I had no income for a year and we lived off our reserves. During this time, my wife Marlise gave me great support. Without her understanding and help, starting my own business would never have worked. I soon found customers who trusted me. The first were Biomed, Erdgas, Manor and Bluewin. Then finally came the grounding of Swissair. This historic catastrophe turned out to be our good fortune on the other side.
Take off with Swiss?
I had previously been in charge of media for Crossair. When the subsidiary became a rescue company, the people in charge really wanted to continue working with me. So we were able to work for Swiss from the very beginning and that has remained the case to this day. It was all a bit of an adventure at the time. Then one thing led to another and we have been able to record double-digit growth rates every year since 2001. During this time, our billings have increased more than tenfold.
In 2007, Mediaschneider acquired a stake in The whole Media Basel and in 2011 in Media Plus in Bern. A strategy to become number 1?
The entire media scene in Switzerland has changed massively over the last ten years. The big international agencies have arrived, including five major networks that have carved out more than 50 percent of the cake for themselves. Now it's even 70 percent. I had to react to this situation. M&M has oriented itself more abroad. I told myself that the media business is fundamentally local. We only generate around 15 percent of our sales abroad. 85 percent is generated here. So we said to ourselves: we want to form a counterweight to the international networks. The only thing I am looking for is cooperation with independent agencies in order to pool expertise and strengthen the quality of our services. With this in mind, I have joined the two agencies. We have thus become a group of independent media agencies. This group is now in fourth place in the Rec¬ma ranking in Switzerland. Together we have 270 million billings and employ 43 people. This allows us to maintain our position, which is very important for us.
Power when negotiating?
Thanks to our size, we have a certain degree of independence and can negotiate conditions with media providers that are just as good as those of the largest international networks. I am convinced that we are also doing a good job in purchasing today, with a clean, transparent business policy. That's what I strive for and nothing else. Of course, the whole thing still needs to evolve. Six years ago, our customer Swiss Airlines told us that we were not the "deer" when it came to online advertising. That's why Swiss wanted to work with PlanNet in Munich. As a result, we came into contact with this specialist agency. It is part of the Serviceplan Group, the largest in-house agency in Germany. They are considered to be the best in terms of quality. So we complemented each other and said: "If we are going to enter into such a cooperation with an agency abroad, then it should be with Serviceplan. I want to make progress with them.
Have you connected with Serviceplan?
I sold 25 percent of Mediaschneider to Service¬plan. On the other hand, I was able to acquire a 25 percent stake in PlanNet. I am very pleased about this step, which will strengthen our know-how and innovative power for the future for the benefit of our customers. This connection also brings customers that we can support for Service¬plan in Switzerland. Of course, we have our own online department. But a partnership with the specialist takes us much further and provides a better basis for the new digital media. These were the reasons why I opted for this mutual participation. I am retaining a majority stake and will continue to do so. I am really looking forward to a successful collaboration.
Interview: Andreas Panzeri