"Advertising is not art"
Rodolphe Deville on His Art and His Life After Advertising
Rodolphe Deville: No. Firstly, I was already painting when I was twelve, and I didn't know anything about advertising then. Secondly, I had to decide when I was twenty whether I wanted to go into advertising or painting, because I had received an art scholarship at the time. First I decided on advertising and went straight from the extroverted to the introverted profession. But I always painted in secret. To this day, I have rarely talked about my introverted painting and have never shown it to anyone.
If art is your true calling, why did you choose advertising - money and a status symbol - over spirit when you were young?
Deville: Advertising had zero status symbol back then. Nobody found it particularly funny. Advertising interested me as much as the other extreme, painting. I chose advertising for security reasons, that is, for the money, despite the scholarship.
What do you think of Michael Schirner's thesis that advertising is art?
Deville: Nothing. Because advertising is a completely commercial story. You can stylize it up to art - advertisers are particularly fond of doing that - but then it has to be done at the level Bill Bernbach did. And even then it is still not art. Art is subject to different criteria than advertising.
For decades, you gave the advertised products and brands an identity. How much of Rodolphe Deville is in the abstract, rational images?
Deville: I can't say that. You probably see something of me in the pictures, but that would be unconscious. Unlike advertising, which consciously gives a brand an identity. I don't have such problems and therefore don't feel the need to position myself like a brand.
If we stay with brands anyway, you could say of Warhol that he was the Coca-Cola of the art world. With which consumer product would you associate your art?
Deville: No one. I'm not a product. If Warhol made himself into one, or if the media made him into one, then he might have smiled about it and said, "That's fine with me. If someone were to tell me that I correspond to a brand, then I would just let myself be categorized - without comment.
Few people knew that you were already painting privately in a studio on the Forch during your time as agency co-owner and CD. Why are you only exhibiting your works now?
Deville: My wife and my sons have motivated me to do this. In addition, I no longer have any space for my paintings. I can no longer fit a painting in my cellars, either here or in France. So now I'm doing an exhibition, although I resisted it for a long time, precisely for such considerations that Martin Suter had mentioned in the article in question.
Former colleagues of yours say that you were rarely satisfied with yourself. On average, how long do you work on a painting before you consider it complete?
Deville: Until it's finished. I don't set deadlines for myself.
Not only are you known as a pedantic perfectionist, you were also considered one of the few CDs who freely drew storyboards like typefaces. As a sought-after designer, you sometimes rejected a fee because it didn't reflect your market value. Does your name also have its price in art?
Deville: That's where I'm starting fresh. I'll tell you in ten years. That's how long it took me in advertising. Interview: Luca Aloisi
